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Entry: 89881
DEV CHARLIE MARINE AIR SUPPORT RADAR TEAM
AN?TPQ-10 AND A-4B AFCS BACKFITS

JERRY RINGSTAD wrote on October 30, 2014


City and State: CHULA VISTA CA

Unit:

Service or Relationship: ARMY VETERAN

Comments: 1964 as NAESU tech rep I was part of install and calibration team for 2-axis back-fit AFCS on Marine A-4B & TPQ-10 Air Direction at El Toro, Ca. In April 1968 as NAESU rep assigned to VAW-13, at NAS Cubi Pt, Cubic we MARLOG'd a C-130 flight with Cubi Det-101 CO to Da Nang and a terrifying Helo ride to Chu Lai to look at possible job swap with overdue rotation fellow NAESU Bendix rep Jack Cohen known since 1964 at El Toro, Ca.

I'm now retired with combined 50 years in aviation sales/support, tech contract & engrg. Four years Bendix commercial airline coverage B-707 and L-188 NYC airports, 46 years military, all service branches, P-2V, A-1H, A4, A7, P3, C-141,,F4, S3, A6, AH-1W and F-18, field and forward, 4 Navy, AF overhaul depot locations additionally Boeing, Lockheed Burbank, McDonnell and Grumann.. .
My military service, draftee two years Army Infantry, MOS 1666 Medic, 7th Infantry Div, 17th Reg, 2nd Bat, Korea 1953-54.
It has been the most rewarding life, fantastic military and civil service friends, travel to Europe and Far East.


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Entry: 88153
DEV CHARLIE MARINE AIR SUPPORT RADAR TEAM
DEVASTATE BRAVO MASRT

GUY RICH wrote on January 20, 2014


City and State: PAHRUMP NV

Unit: MASS-2 DEVASTATE-BRAVO MASRT

Service or Relationship: MARINE VETERAN

Comments: Just Curious I didn't any entries for Devastate-Bravo the MASRT team I was part of.
Served in Viet-Nam from Jun 1966 thru Dec 1967


Keywords: Da Nang Hill 327
Phu Bai
Dong Ha



Entry: 85742
DEV CHARLIE MARINE AIR SUPPORT RADAR TEAM
MASRT-1 MUNSAN NI KOREA

THEODORE P. (TED) KAUFMAN wrote on March 21, 2013


City and State: DALLAS TX

Unit: MASRT-1

Service or Relationship: MARINE VETERAN

Comments: I served with MASRT1 in Korea in 1953-54. We were
located on a mountain top just South of the DMZ and
near the railhead at Munsan Ni. Some time in 1954 we
pulled South to ?. The radar and compter were retired
ajacent to some Air Force outpost. Jim Burgess and
myself volunteered to be a permanent guard detail and
live with the equipment.
There were no manuals,only the original schematics,
and these were marked up with changes. Parts were non-
existent. We scrounged tubes, modules, etc. from
other units (Sea Bees mostly) to get components that
would work. I ended up writing a Theory of Operation
on the computer. Don't know if it was ever used.
I completed Electronic School at Treasure Island and
Radar School in San Diego, but probably learned more
during that tour in Korea. Thanks to the USMC for
introducing me to electronics. I went on to get a
BSEE, work as a design engineer on telemetry system
for our missile programs and later founded my own
company (MIL-E Services). Thanks MASRT!




Keywords: Night Watch Charlie
Munsan Ni



Entry: 84030
DEV CHARLIE MARINE AIR SUPPORT RADAR TEAM
WHERE WAS DEV DELTA?

TOM CAGAN wrote on August 27, 2012


City and State:

Unit: MAG 11

Service or Relationship: MARINE VETERAN

Comments: When I was in country between Oct '66 and Sept '68, we
used to hear the call Devastate Delta. Our Callsign
was Walnut Hill.
Where was Devastate Delta located?


Keywords: Devastate Delta
Ashau Valley
Walnut Hill
Cottonpicker
VMA(AW)242



Entry: 81041
DEV CHARLIE MARINE AIR SUPPORT RADAR TEAM
MASS 2

JAMES PAGE wrote on November 13, 2011


City and State:

Unit: MASS 2 AND MASS 1

Service or Relationship: MARINE VETERAN

Comments: I was with Mass 2 from 1966 to 1968 as a 5961.
Started at Phu Bi moved unit to Dong Ha and back to
Phu Bi,I then went to DaNang without the unit then
back to Dong Ha while Mass 3 was also there until Feb
68 then
I went to the states at Cherry Point until I got out
in 1969.If you want to some good videos of the ASRT
go back to the index and bring up Mass1 Mass2 and see
what Doug Hurst has put up.


Keywords: Mass 1 and 2


Entry: 80881
DEV CHARLIE MARINE AIR SUPPORT RADAR TEAM
ASRT 1971-1973

ROD O'STEEN wrote on November 3, 2011


City and State: FL

Unit: MASS-1, MASS-2(DET-2)

Service or Relationship: MARINE VETERAN

Comments: Wow, There was only one MASS Squadron per Air Wing, And
only four Air Wings(including the Reserves at El Toro).
Each MASS Squadron had two ASRT's and a DASC unit.

I started C and E at MCRD SD, and made the move to 29
Stumps in April/May of 1971. Topped out as an ASRT
(5961) in October 1971. First Fleet Assignment was MCAS
Cherry Point, with MASS-1.
In June 72', shipped to MASS-2 Iwokuni, Japan, and
hopped a C130 to MASS-2, DET-2 Cubi Point Philippines.

Those were interesting times, a lot of things being
tried with the ASRT's and the AN/TPQ-10 then. "Free"
time was spent seeing how tight you could dial the
drops in, re-seating tubes (or just trying to find
them), or trying to get the second generator to run
long enough to stay on line. I did get to see some of
the first POW's return and land up at Clarke AFB
though. Tore your heart out, but made you feel proud at
the same time.

Valentine's Day 73', caught another C130 to Futima,
Okinawa, where MASS-2 had relocated. A few Embarks and
Deployments from Okinawa, and then Stateside in July
73'. Three days and an out at Camp P., then home.

ASRT crews were too few and too far, never had a "Full"
team at ANY location.

Semper Fi


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Entry: 70053
DEV CHARLIE MARINE AIR SUPPORT RADAR TEAM
DEV DELTA

TERRY WISSMAN wrote on May 4, 2009


City and State: CINCINNATI OH

Unit: MASS-2 620TCS DEVASTATE DELTA DONG HA '66-'67

Service or Relationship: MARINE VETERAN

Comments: I was stationed at Dong Ha from Oct 67 til May 67. Although I was trained
as 2861, I was cross-trained as an op tech on the TPQ 10 ASRAT


Keywords: Wiss, Dong Ha, Prairie


Entry: 70052
DEV CHARLIE MARINE AIR SUPPORT RADAR TEAM
DEV DELTA

TERRY WISSMAN wrote on May 4, 2009


City and State: CINCINNATI OH

Unit: MASS-2 620TCS DEVASTATE DELTA DONG HA '66-'67

Service or Relationship: MARINE VETERAN

Comments: Iwas stationed at Dong Ha drom Oct 67 til May 67. Although I was trained
as 2861, I was cross-trained as an op tech on the TPW 10 ASRAT


Keywords: Wiss, Dong Ha, Prairie


Entry: 69919
DEV CHARLIE MARINE AIR SUPPORT RADAR TEAM
COLONEL M. CRANFORD DALBY HAS DIED.

ROBERT G. HARRIS wrote on April 20, 2009


City and State: FENTON MI

Unit: 1SY MARST

Service or Relationship: MARINE VETERAN

Comments: Colonel Marion Cranford Dalby,(then a Captain), leader of the orginal group of four officers and eight enlisted Marines at NAMTC, Point Mugu CA, who developed, built and provided air support for the 1st MAR DIv in Korea died of a masive heart attack on October 1, 2008. Of the orignal group only LtCol Robert G. Harris (then a 1st Lt.)and LtCol John E. Seissiger (then a TSgt)survive.

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Entry: 66206
DEV CHARLIE MARINE AIR SUPPORT RADAR TEAM
1ST MASRT TO KOREA JULY 1951 ROSTER

ROBERT G. HARRIS wrote on June 25, 2008


City and State: FENTON MI

Unit: 1ST MASRT, FMAW

Service or Relationship: OTHER

Comments: The folowing ia a roster of the 1st MARST were ordered to Korea in July, 1951'

Dalby. Marion C. Major-
Harper, Edwin A. Major-
Johnston, Oscar B. Major-
Bezbezbian, George Captain-
Doyle, Ernest R. Captain-
Klingman, Robert R. Captain-
Dinwiddie, Stanley G. Captain-
Harris, Robert G. 1st Lt.-
Hayden, Clark D. 2nd Lt.-
Dickover, Floyd D. MSGT-
Holtz, William L. MSGT-
Leber, Hal T. TSGT-
Pringle,, Richard H. TSGT-
Seissiger, John E. TSGT-
Beyer, Huston H. SSGT-
Brown, George W. SSGT-
Darrow, Marvin L. SSGT-
Garrett, Leonard M. SSGT-
Hartline, Jimmy H. SSGT-
Hauffe, Gerald S. SSGT-
Johnson, Warren T. SSGT-
Maxwell, Rchard D. SSGT-
Parent, Amos L. SSGT-
Waggener, Robert F. SSGT-
Ash, Edwin G. SGT-
Cameron, James G. SGT-
Graf, Allen D. SGT-
Haag, Raymond R. SGT-
Johnson, James R. Jr. SGT-
Kenyon, William C. SGT-
Lesselyong, Thomas W. SGT-
Roberts, John C. SGT-
Wilson, James H. SGT-
Cooper, Richard G. Jr. CPL-
Mondo, Louis V. CPL-
Hershberger, Everett S. CPL-
Le Louis, Edward C. CPL-
Tadlock, Ronald F. CPL-
Steed, Charles E. CPL-
Schmieg,George T. CPL-
Wilkinson, Elwyn G. CPL

These are the names of the Marine listed on the "Change of Station" oders. Some of those listed did not make the trip to Korea. For example, Captain Bezbezbian became ill in San Francisco while the unit awaited shipping to Korea and was hospitaized.


Keywords: DEVASTATE CHARLIE, TPQ-10, MASRT


Entry: 66201
DEV CHARLIE MARINE AIR SUPPORT RADAR TEAM
MASRT...FROM THE BEGINNING!

ROBERT G. HARRIS wrote on June 24, 2008


City and State: FENTON MI

Unit: 1ST MARINE AIR SUPPORT RADAR TEAM

Service or Relationship: MARINE VETERAN

Comments: What became to be known as the Marine Air Support Radar Team....TPQ 10...Devstate Charlie all began at the Naval Air Missile Test Center, Point Mugu, CA in 1949. A small group of Marines, four officers (Captains Dalby, Johnston and Dressin and First Lt. Harris) and eight enlisted technicians (MSgts Hayden,Holtz, Dickover:TSgt Seissiger: SSgt Leber, Waggoner, Darrow: and Cpl Gramza) Formed an ad hoc Marine organization...called the Marine Guided Missile Section...and with the assisrance of the German scientist Dr. Wagner conceived, built and tested a computer that would take the information from a tracking radar and provide the course for a LOON missle ( the old German V-1 )to fly to a designated target. At the computed time the wings were blown off the missile and it would fall toward the target. During the testing period, since missiles were not available, a drone aircraft was flown as the missile and water filled bombs were dropped on the target (The pilot would not have liked us to blow the wings off!) The tests revealed that we had developed an all weather bombing system that could provide close support. The original radar in the system was an SCR 784 borrowed from the Army at Ft. Bliss TX. The computer was in a van and not packaged for combat. When it was decided to send the system to Korea the computer was repacked in a 1/4 Ton trailer and the SCR 784 was replaced with the radar TPQ ?...after tests in the area near El Centro and at Camp Pendleton, the origanl group (less Cpl. gramza) were augmented with other Marines and the 1st MARST was born, assinged to the 1st WAW, 1st MTACS(who was rado call sign DEVASTATE)....and the 1st MASRT was DEVSTATE CHARLIE... The team joined the !st Marine Division in reserve in June 1951. What was to be a relative short combat evaluation became extended when the effectiveness of the system dictated that the system remain as a regular unit in the Air Wing. Of the original group of Marines at NAMTC, Point Mugu only three survive...Colonel M. C. Dalby, LtColonel Robert G. Harris, LtColonel John Seissiger...all retired.

Keywords: Devastate Charlie


Entry: 64619
DEV CHARLIE MARINE AIR SUPPORT RADAR TEAM
AN/TPQ-10, MASS-2, AND MASS-3

JIM BRYANT II wrote on March 5, 2008


City and State: SAINT PAUL MN

Unit:

Service or Relationship: FAMILY MEMBER

Comments: You guys may want to get in touch with my father, he's not far from you guys, and lives in Bridgeport.

He was known as GySgt. Bryant at the time he retired while at MASS-3 under Col. Phalen, and was the Sr. Marine AN/TPQ-10 Technician at the time of his retirement. He went in with his set from MASS-2 in the main landing at Da Nang in 1965, and severed multiple tours with both MASS-2 and MASS-3 over his 20.

He retired in 1983 from MASS-3.

I wouldn't be surprised if the AN/TPQ-10 on static display at MASS-3 HQ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:ANTPQ-10_Radar_at_MASS-3.jpg is one that had my dad's name in the logbook.

If you can get in touch with him, I'm sure he'd have a lot of information to share with you on the history of the radar set, and MASS-2 and MASS-3.

I believe he's a member of the Bridgeport VFW.

My impression of the AN/TPQ-10 was that it was an amazing machine, given what it did, and the level of accuracy with which it did it, and the relative ease of obtaining a lock.

He's not a Korean War veteran, but given the direction of the topic thread here, I'm sure he'd be glad to help out on the history aspects of the radar and the Squadrons.


Keywords: AN/TPQ-10, Fire-Control Radar, MASS-2, MASS-3, USMC, Vietnam



Entry: 64441
DEV CHARLIE MARINE AIR SUPPORT RADAR TEAM
MASS-2 DASC/ASRT 1980-1981

DOUGLAS LIDSTONE wrote on February 23, 2008


City and State:

Unit:

Service or Relationship: MARINE VETERAN

Comments: I worked on both the DASC and the ASRT for MASS-2 in 1980-1981. We were still using the AN/TPQ-10 Radar Set with the same analog computer well into 80's. We had canvas web gear, steel pot helmets and the old heavy as hell flak jackets. I believe the AN/TPQ-10 was the last ground directed bombing radar ever fielded. It was made obsolete by the LTD and GPS guided bombs.

I was initially MOS 2851, Aviation Radio Mechanic. They renumbered the MOS to 5937 while I was in. I maintained the HF and UHF radio rigs for the MASS-2 unit.


Keywords: USMC 1978-1984, MASS-2, MACG-18


Entry: 61590
DEV CHARLIE MARINE AIR SUPPORT RADAR TEAM
BOMB DROP EQUATION

DAYLE WRIGHT wrote on July 10, 2007


City and State:

Unit:

Service or Relationship: MARINE VETERAN

Comments: We are certainly a rare breed. I'm looking for the bomb drop equation for the TPQ-10. I have a search radar puke on the hook who needs a lesson a "control" radar. Any help?

Keywords: ASRT, MASS-3, MASS-2, MCRD


Entry: 54940
DEV CHARLIE MARINE AIR SUPPORT RADAR TEAM
DEVASTATE CHARLIE, PHU BAI

DEAN JOHNSON wrote on January 1, 2006


City and State:

Unit: MASS-3, MASS-2, MASS-4

Service or Relationship: MARINE VETERAN

Comments: Good to see this list of ASRT veterans. I was a MOS5961 (Fire Control Radar Repairman). I served with MASS-3 in San Diego. Went to Okinawa on the USS Jennings County. Served with MASS-2 at Phu Bai. Served with MASS-4 at South Weymouth,Massachusetts (training reservists). Was in the USMC from Valentine's Day 1964 to Valentine's Day 1970. If anyone has questions or comments concerning ASRT service during this time frame or in these places, I would be glad to respond.

Keywords: ASRT, MASS-2, MASS-3, MASS-4, TPQ-10, Devastate Charlie, Phu Bai, Jennings County, 5961


Entry: 53124
DEV CHARLIE MARINE AIR SUPPORT RADAR TEAM
LOOKING TO CONSOLIDATE THE HISTORY OF THE DASC

MARK MURPHY wrote on September 13, 2005


City and State:

Unit:

Service or Relationship: MARINE VETERAN

Comments: Gentlemen, I am a Marine currently serving with a MASS unit. What we are looking to do is consolidate the history of the DASC or any of the units that were a precursor to today's MASS units. I feel the best way to do this is with an on-line collaboration by those who were there. How do we do this?
There is a website called www.wikipedia.com It is an on-line encyclopedia that is regulated by everyone. That means that anyone can add or subtract any info that they like. Sounds like chaos but it isn't. People care that the info is accurate and non biased and the self policing works much better. I have created a link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dasc
that will take you to a DASC page. I just started it and it is pretty barren but I am now trying to get word out to the active duty units and veterans so that we as a community can write our own history. Please give it a go and get the word out to anyone you might know.

Semper Fidelis

Mark Murphy


Keywords: DASC, ASRT, MASS, MACG, Air Support


Entry: 51341
DEV CHARLIE MARINE AIR SUPPORT RADAR TEAM
I WAS WITH DEVASTATE CHARLIE AND MACS3

RICHARD KUYKENDALL wrote on June 4, 2005


City and State: PUKALANI HI

Unit: SUB UNIT 1, 1ST MARDIV; MACS3

Service or Relationship: MARINE VETERAN

Comments: I was the only Officer to intercept a destroyer at 4000 feet! (Clouds were reflecting ships' image, looked like "Bedcheck Charlie," a bi-wing plane which dropped hand grenades). Remember buddies: John Parmenter, ___Christianson, Larry Weisser, Pierce Law, Noel Highfill, Capt Kreuger, Maj Nichols, Maj Jose Cuetara, and many more.

Keywords: Hill 215, Munsan-ni; "Wildfire" on the point, Pohang-dong


Entry: 44527
DEV CHARLIE MARINE AIR SUPPORT RADAR TEAM
USMC ASRT

MITCH MANWEILER wrote on July 15, 2004


City and State:

Unit:

Service or Relationship: INTERESTED PERSON

Comments: Worked with the ASRT from 1977 to its fall in/about 1984. Worked on the Q-10 and also the 1D.
For the guy looking for the MIA's in Nam: Contact me and I may be able to dig up some old ASRTers who were in Nam at the time, they may remember where the radars were set up at the time. Also, remember the bombs were dropped long before the aircraft was directly over the target, distance would depend on the aircraft speed and type of ordenance being deployed. These radars also took in account the weather conditions, humidity, barametic pressure, rotation of the earth.....


Keywords: ASRT, MASS, MACG


Entry: 39359
DEV CHARLIE MARINE AIR SUPPORT RADAR TEAM
AIR FORCE HAD 'EM TOO

DAVE MILLER wrote on December 22, 2003


City and State: CO

Unit: 85 TCF

Service or Relationship: -

Comments: Air Force had ASRT too, matter of fact we converted from the MSQ-77 to the TPB series (I worked with the TPB-1C and did a bit of eval on the 1D).
The USAF units were usually a bit smaller from what I remember, due to the way jobs were broken up (USAF technicians were trained as ops/maint as opposed to maint only). The AFSC was 303X3, Automatic Tracking Radar.

DDM


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Entry: 38405
DEV CHARLIE MARINE AIR SUPPORT RADAR TEAM
SERVED WITH DEVASTATE CHARLIE, I.E. 1ST MARINE AIR SUPPORT RADAR TEAM, IN 1951 AND 1952

ED LELOUIS wrote on November 15, 2003


City and State: BAKERSFIELD CA

Unit:

Service or Relationship: MARINE VETERAN - KOREA

Comments:

Keywords:


Entry: 26418
DEV CHARLIE MARINE AIR SUPPORT RADAR TEAM
DEGREE OF ACCURACY OF MSQ-77 AND TPQ-10 RADAR

JIM BOURKE wrote on June 20, 2002


City and State: WANTIRNA SOUTH

Unit: 1 RAR - II CORPS MIKE FORCE

Service or Relationship: INTERESTED PERSON

Comments: Hello Folks,

Looks like I may have found a lead regarding the USAF MSQ-77 (Skyspot) and USMC TPQ-10 ground-controlled radar systems.

Am looking for information re the degree of accuracy of these beasts in connection with sonme research that I am doing on the loss of an Aussie Canberra Bomber (B57) south west of Da Nang in Nov 1970. (We have two airmen whose bodies were not recovered. See details at my site http://austmia.com)

Am also looking for details of the location of MSQ-77 and TPQ-10 radars etc in Vietnam as of Nov 1970 so if you know any radar tech from those days, please pass on my details.

Take care,

Regards,

Jim B.


Keywords: MSQ-77, Skyspot, USMC TPQ-10, ground-controlled radar, VIETNAN, CRP, CRC, MILKY RADAR


Entry: 23449
DEV CHARLIE MARINE AIR SUPPORT RADAR TEAM
JIMMY L JONES

ALAN PENFIELD wrote on February 25, 2002


City and State:

Unit:

Service or Relationship: MARINE VETERAN - KOREA

Comments: would like to locate

Keywords:


Entry: 18823
DEV CHARLIE MARINE AIR SUPPORT RADAR TEAM
AIR SUPPORT RADAR TEAM

RALPH ARMSTRONG wrote on August 19, 2001


City and State: NEWARK OH

Unit: 1ST MAW, MACG 28, MASS 1, VIETNAM

Service or Relationship: FRIEND OF VETERAN

Comments: I am a USMC veteran of Vietnam, and served in what we called the AS-RAT (Air Support RAdar Team). I was MOS 5961, Aviataion Fire Control Technician, and worked on the AN/TPQ10.. I have a good friednd who is a former POW of Korea (ARMY).

I have been looking for Marines who worked with the Marine Air Support Squadrons, and stumbled into this.


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Entry: 5997
DEV CHARLIE MARINE AIR SUPPORT RADAR TEAM
GREAT SITE

DABNEY BRACKEN wrote on January 3, 2000


City and State: BRANDON MS

Unit: 1ST MARINE AR WING MGCIS-1

Service or Relationship: -

Comments: Looking for anyone who served with MGCIS-1 in 50/51

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Entry: 977
DEV CHARLIE MARINE AIR SUPPORT RADAR TEAM
MASRT DEV CHARLIE

JAMES (JL) JOHNSON wrote on November 20, 1998


City and State: YARMOUTH PORT MA

Unit:

Service or Relationship:

Comments: Between the summer of 1951 and the summer of 1952 I was in Korea with a
relatively unknown USMC close air support group that provided radar and
computer controlled guidance of appropriately equipted USMC fighter
bombers in conducting bombing missions.

We called ourselves Dev Charlie which was taken from our radio call
sign. Major Marion Dalby (Dirty) whom I understand eventually was
promoted to General was our Commanding Officer. The group consisted of
about 8 Officers and 30 Enlisted. I would like to hear from any of them
or learn their present address.

I'm not sure of the organizations official name, we referred to ourselves
sometimes as MASRT as I recall meaning Marine Air Support Radar Team. In
any event the system we took to Korea was a prototype developed at Point
Mugu, Ca. We went to Korea for combat evaluation of the system and after
about 6 months were declared operationally essential. I believe we
belonged organizationally to the 1st Air Wing and that Major Dalby
reported, at least in parrallel to someone in Washington.

I know the organization is identified in Marine Corp archives since I
went to Marine Corp Headquarters in Washington sometime in early 1953
to apply for combat pay and they were able to identify the organization
and establish the number of months that I qualified.


Anyone with any information relative to this please contact Jim Johnson
(JL) at 343 Main St, S.Dennis Ma 02660.


Keywords: In the Winter I am in Florida, email contact works. Cell Ph: 508-776-2365



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