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Entry: 77141
3903RD RADAR BOMB SCORING GROUP
GPQT-1 AT FT.SNELLING, MN

MIKE DOSCH wrote on December 16, 2010


City and State: EAGAN MN

Unit: 10TH RBS SQDN

Service or Relationship: AIR FORCE VETERAN

Comments:

Keywords: GUINEA PIG, BOMBER STREAMS, CPTN A.D. WEBB, H.K.MCPHERSON,


Entry: 70228
3903RD RADAR BOMB SCORING GROUP
DET. 1, 11TH RBS SQADRON 1955-1958

ROBERT BROWN wrote on May 20, 2009


City and State: NM

Unit:

Service or Relationship: AIR FORCE VETERAN

Comments: Would love to hear from anyone stationed at Denver Bomb Plot..

Keywords: Denver Bomb Plot


Entry: 63551
3903RD RADAR BOMB SCORING GROUP
DETACHMENT 13 RBS GROUP

JACK CAIN wrote on December 26, 2007


City and State: HIGHLAND PARK IL

Unit: DETACHMENT 13, TREASURE ISLAND

Service or Relationship: AIR FORCE VETERAN

Comments: I am looking for others whe served in the Detachment. I have a bunch of pictures to send to anyone interested, and would like to get more pix to add to the collection.

Keywords: Detachment 13 Radar Bomb Scoring Group, Threaure Island, San Francisco


Entry: 59933
3903RD RADAR BOMB SCORING GROUP
DET 22 KOREA 1951

DOUGLAS MCALLISTER SR. wrote on February 6, 2007


City and State: NO. PALM BEACH FL

Unit: 606 - 607 AC-W SQ. 3903 RBS, DET 22

Service or Relationship: AIR FORCE VETERAN

Comments: Will be 75 in July, would like to hear from anyone who served with Det 22

Keywords: Doug, MSGT Little,Lissey, bombed ourselves, Imjin River bridge washout


Entry: 58681
3903RD RADAR BOMB SCORING GROUP
LOOKING FOR 1950-1956 3903 RBS AIRMEN

DONALD J. DECKER wrote on August 30, 2006


City and State: ROCHESTER NY

Unit: 3903 RBS DET. D, 8, 12 - 23 - 1950 TO 1956

Service or Relationship: AIR FORCE VETERAN

Comments:

Keywords: I just found this site and thought it might be nice to hear from some others who were at the detachments where I was stationed. A brief history of my travels and some of the airmen I was with. I was in this unit from 1950 to 1956.

After Radar School at Keesler AFB, Biloxi, Miss. I was assigned to 3903 RBS Sqdn Hdqts, Carswell AFB, Ft. Worth, Texas. Then I was assigned to the following RBS detachments:

   Det. D  Fort George Wright, Spokane, Wash. This was an old Army/Cavalry post on the banks of the Spokane River. There was a small footbridge over the river to an amusement park in the city. It was a nice place to be stationed 1950 to 1951. Some personnel there were Lt. John Jones, C.O., Nelson Vaughn, William Morris and Adams.

   Det. 12  McClellan AFB, Sacramento, Calif. This was previously Det. D and moved here from Spokane, Wash. It was located at a radio site about 4 miles S.E. of the base near Fair Oaks, in farms and orchards. I was stationed here about 1951 to 1952. Some personnel there were Capt. Wallace Fry, C.O., WOJG William Johnson, 1st Sgt. Sadler, Nelson Vaughn, William Morris, Horvath, Burdick, Wallace and Fox. It was from here that several detachments were marshalled that went to Korea.

   Det. 8  Cheli Air Material Depot, Maywood, Calif. This was a new unit assembled at 3903 RBS Hdqts, Carswell AFB. We drove the equipment from Carswell to Los Angeles with stops in El Paso, Texas, Lordsburg, N. Mex., Tucson, Ariz. And a few other places along the way. Cheli AMD was an equipment purchasing depot in S.W. Los Angeles near Huntington Park. Some personnel there were Capt. Adam Wiley, C.O., Lt. A. Beard, 1st Sgt. John Tanner, M/Sgt. Truman E. Brians, Roger Murray, Clarence Barr, Norman Reynolds, Raymond Lemieux. A.J. Ingraham, Chuck Elliott and Roy Givens. Notable events were when Capt. Wiley and his wife were making ice cream after Saturday Dress Parades and Inspections and the recuced rates at RAMS football games at The Coliseum. Hot spots  The Tropics in Maywood and Lous Shanty in Bell. This was also a great place to be stationed.

   Det. 23  Heston Aerodrome, Heston, Middlesex, England. We were located in West London near Hounslow. Heston was Londons airport before Heathrow which was nearby. Heston was an RAF field during WWII. The last year I was here our detachment was moved from Heston out to the Fairey Aviation Plant which was in Langley. Langley was near Slough, Buckinghamshire. While in Heston I lived on The Crossways and while at Langley I lived in Wraybury on the Thames River across from the large Home Park Fields of Windsor Castle. I was here from 1953 to 1956. Some personnel there were Maj. John F. Hopkins, C.O., Capt. Adam Wiley later C.O., Lt. Donald K. Lee, Capt. Ahab, M/Sgt. Truman E. Brians, Donald Brister, Robert Heim, Pete Huff, Wally Kruger (previously there), Mark Hampton, Chuck Elliott, Ray Lemieux, Anthony Hopkins, John Corbin, Roy Givens and Osteen. There was also another fine officer who kept the book No Time For Sergeants on his desk. Notable events were Air Vice Marshall A. McKee, Bomber Command, Royal Air Force visited our site one night to observe the RAF Blind Bombing Competition. Hot spots  the Heston Bar at the aerodrome with Jim the bartender; a club on the Great West Road and a pub on the Cranford High Street.

I flew home to McGuire AFB in New Jersey and was discharged in 1956 at Manhattan Beach Air Force Station on Long Island. I came home to my familys fruit farm in Spencerport, Western New York State. I still reside here at 777 Gillett Road, Rochester, N.Y. 14624.



Entry: 55316
3903RD RADAR BOMB SCORING GROUP
MY CURRENT EMAIL ADDRESS

JAMES WILSON wrote on January 21, 2006


City and State: AIKEN SC

Unit: 3903 RADAR BOMB SCORING AND THE RBS EXPRESS

Service or Relationship: AIR FORCE VETERAN

Comments: Am 75 and counting.............
Anyone out there?



Keywords: Denver Bomb Plot, Cheli Bomb Plot, Glasgow Bomb Plot,
Richmond Bomb Plot, Marrakech Bomb Plot, Hill Army Depot, RBS Express Supervisor for several locations.
Drone Control Site Supv (ADC) Tyndall AFB 3 years (William Tell Fighter Competition Judge), AFETR assigment with APOLLO Program, Supv of six airborne electronics crews.



Entry: 50564
3903RD RADAR BOMB SCORING GROUP
LOOKING FOR PHOENIX AZ. GUYS OR WIVESFROM50S

JOYCE MARTIN wrote on May 2, 2005


City and State: GT. FALLS MT

Unit:

Service or Relationship: FAMILY MEMBER

Comments: hi i would like to hear from anyone who was detached to phoenix az. in the late 40s or the early 50s i worked at the hotel coffee shop where some of the guys lived, since there was no barricks.i worked there after school and later married one of the guys.he is deseased, and we were divorced long before. i have so many good memories of so many of them and thier wives at basketball games ect. i remember one guy, very tall who could hold a basketball in each hand. this kid came into the cafe one day and ask if we would fry up a rabbit he had caught.my boss said o.k.go ahead and fix it for him, but he drew the line when he came in the nent day with a lemon he'd pick off a tree wanted me to make him some lemonade :}

Keywords:


Entry: 48994
3903RD RADAR BOMB SCORING GROUP
RADAR BOMB SCORING

GENE CLIPPER wrote on February 17, 2005


City and State: TAMPA FL

Unit: 12TH RBS SQDN. MACDILL AFB. 1955 - 1956 10TH RBS

Service or Relationship: INTERESTED PERSON

Comments: Interested in friends and comments about these Detachments.

Keywords:


Entry: 48145
3903RD RADAR BOMB SCORING GROUP
SITE DESIGNATORS

STEVEN MCDONALD wrote on January 13, 2005


City and State: SIERRA VISTA AZ

Unit:

Service or Relationship: INTERESTED PERSON

Comments: All,

I'm trying to find the locations/Detachment Letters of the early fixed sites. Anyone who has information on the site below please "E"mail me.

I think this is correct? 3903rd DETS D, F, G, H, J, and M probably existed, although this is just a theory. These are the letter designator sites we have identified and I think they are all 3903rd
sites:

DET A, Lowry AFB (Denver), CO –
DET B, Carswell AFB, TX –
DET B, Eglin AFB, FL –
DET C, Pyongyang, North Korea -
DET E, existed but don't know location -
DET I, Stockton (Ordnance Depot, moved to Charlotte in 1950), CA –
DET I, Charlotte, NC (First Charlotte site moved to Houston) -
DET I, Houston, TX (Later redesignated DET 4, 10th RBS) -
DET K, Pyongyang, North Korea -
DET L, Phoenix, AZ (Later redesignated DET 3, 11th RBS)–
DET N, Pusan, South Korea -
DET ?, Mather AFB, CA -

These sites had to have a letter designator at sometime in their existance. They were original sites that existed into the RBS SQ era when Detachments had a number designator:

Omaha, NE (Later became DET 3 10th RBS Site) –
Los Angeles (Cheli AFB, Maywood), CA - Later became DET 8 3903rd in 1950s, then 3903rd RBS 11th SQ, DET 2, moved to Wall, SD -

We do have the original sites that were probably absorbed in the 3903rd if they stil existed at the time. They may have had a letter designator.

Kansas City, MO –
Fort Worth, Texas -
Denver CO -
Chicago, IL –
Albuquerque, NM –


I also know that these sites existed but don't know what the designator was. I think these were 11th RBS. Does anyone know?

DET ? (in the RBS squadron era) Anderson AFB, Guam, -
DET ? Spokane, WA –
DET ? San Francisco, CA –
DET ? Astoria, OR -

-Ray-


Keywords: 3903rd RBS.


Entry: 47966
3903RD RADAR BOMB SCORING GROUP
RBS COMMANDER

DAVID A. BRITT wrote on January 6, 2005


City and State: BILOXI MS

Unit: 808TH INSTALLATION SQ.

Service or Relationship: AIR FORCE VETERAN - KOREA

Comments: Major Bennett was my uncle and responsible for my having spent 30 great years in the USAF. He was stationed at Mac Dill AFB, Florida with an RBS unit in 1947 when he helped me signed up. I visited him in 1950 when he had an RBS unit in a factory in Houston, Texas. I went to Kunson, Korea after that visit. I was told he was in Korea just after that but was unable to locate him. After retirement he became a minister and lived in Florida. I would just like to know more about his military career.

Keywords: Looking for someone who knew Major Beasley Woodrow Bennett RBS Commander


Entry: 47386
3903RD RADAR BOMB SCORING GROUP
PHOTOS

DAVID MCDONALD wrote on December 8, 2004


City and State:

Unit:

Service or Relationship: INTERESTED PERSON

Comments: While working at General Dynamics 15 years ago I was given a set of photos of an RBS train by Dale Bentrup. I do not know who originally took the photos, but it appears that the train is parked in the Mississippi / Arkansas Delta in the winter, (Flat as a table top, no pine trees and no leaves on the trees.) Does anyone have any insight on this? Still have the photos.

Keywords: RBS photo


Entry: 45209
3903RD RADAR BOMB SCORING GROUP
HEAR FROM YOU?

JIM COOPER wrote on August 13, 2004


City and State:

Unit:

Service or Relationship: INTERESTED PERSON

Comments: I came after Korea but may have served with some of you folks.

Would love to hear from you.

1 May 70 - 1 May 74

Jim Cooper


Keywords: statesboro, matagorda, cedar key,udorn, linebacker, quinter, park, presque isle, ashland, wellington, altus, hollis


Entry: 44909
3903RD RADAR BOMB SCORING GROUP
WHERE IS LT. ROBERT F(?) SCHALLER

JACK CAIN wrote on July 31, 2004


City and State: HIGHLAND PARK IL

Unit: DET. 13, 3903 RBS GROUP, TREAS IS.

Service or Relationship: AIR FORCE VETERAN - KOREA

Comments: I am looking for 2nd Lt. Robert F.(?) Schaller who was in our outfit from about '52 th '53. He had been recalled during the Korean conflict and did encourage a number of us to return to college "if we ever wanted to amount to anything" and for his advice and encouragement I and several others are very grateful! Lt. Schaller made 1 Lt shortly after he left us.
Thanks for any leads.
Regards,
Jack C. Cain


Keywords: Detachment 13, 3903 RBS Group, Treasure Is. SFO, CA


Entry: 43887
3903RD RADAR BOMB SCORING GROUP
3903 RBS, TREAS ISLAND, SF 1948-52

FRED SULLIVAN wrote on June 18, 2004


City and State: PASS CHRISTIAN MS

Unit:

Service or Relationship: FRIEND OF VETERAN

Comments: Chief Phillip Martin was assigned to this unit from 1948-1952. The unit was commanded by a Major Posey. Chief Martin is trying to contact anyone who was in the unit during that period. I will gather and pass any information on to him.

Keywords: "Chief" Phillip Martin, Maj. Posey, 3903 RBS, Treasure Island, San Francisco, CA 1948 - 1952


Entry: 42974
3903RD RADAR BOMB SCORING GROUP
OMAHA BOMB PLOT 1957 TO 1959

DONALD CONSLER wrote on May 11, 2004


City and State: LAKEVILLE NY

Unit:

Service or Relationship: -

Comments:

Keywords: Also trained on the Redstone and Jupiter Missles at Redstone Arsenal in Huntsville, Alabama. Anyone else out there that was there?


Entry: 42199
3903RD RADAR BOMB SCORING GROUP
MY MEMORIES OF THE UNIT

NORMAN WIKLER wrote on April 8, 2004


City and State: LOUISVILLE CO

Unit: 3903 RBS

Service or Relationship: AIR FORCE VETERAN - KOREA

Comments: My service in the 3903 RBS squadron started in
April 1949 at Carswell AFB.I had completed
airborne radar schools at Kessler AFB and was
assigned to Detachment 'B' at Carswell.

Major Templeton was the squadron CO and CWO Cox
was the XO. Lt. Schow was the Det B CO. Other
members of Det B were: M/Sgt Lester Abernathy,
M/Sgt Milton Signoff, Joe Harrison, Clyde Keys,
John Donaldson, Willie Williamson, Anthony Gavio
and those whose names have left me.

RBS personnel were quartered in the old BOQ's on
the lake and we ate and pulled KP in the base
hosptal mess hall.

Det B had an out of the ordinary assignment in
the fall of 1949 when we went TDY to EGLIN AFB in
Florida. We moved our SCR-584 and RC-294 and
other vehicles in a convoy to the Sandy Mountain
Bomb Range at Eglin.

The mission if I remember correctly was to track bombers making some kind of experimental approaches to assure that the bombs would fall on the bomb range. Capt. Roger Cuddeback was the CO at that time.

Det. N was organized in June/July 1950 to stablish an RBS site in Puerto Rico.

My personal situation was that I took a short
discharge on July 14 and re-enlisted in the morning of July 15 in order to meet the requirement of having three years of service time
remaining for the Puerto Rico assignment.

I was married in the afternoon of the 15th (still
married to the same wonderful woman)on the 18th
(?) we were told to prepare to go to McClellan
AFB at Sacramento, Ca. We flew to McClellan that
night in the squadron's B-26 with Major Templeton
as the pilot.

During the six weeks or so that we were at
McClellan, the detachment was fully manned with 2 officers and 15 enlisted men. The roster included
Captain Hansen(CO), WO Carnel,M/Sgt Abernathy,
M/Sgt Little, Sgt Thistle, Sgt Jordan, Sgt
Sharpe, Sgt Marlin, Pvt Bergstrom, Sgt Hunter,
S/Sgt Hussey, Cpl Brister, Cpl Peal, Cpl
Forester, Cpl Hale, S/Sgt Grammond and Cpl Wikler
(me).

Our equipment,SCR-584, RC-294, radio truck,
generators, supply van and all of the miscellaneous were checked out. We moved to
Camp Stoneman at Pittsburg, CA and did all the
final preparations for departure to Korea.

We left Camp Stoneman early September via a ferry
boat to the Oakland army base where we boarded
the USS General W.A.Mann. In addtion to the three
RBS detachments, there were over 2000 thousand
troops from the 3rd Armored Division(?).

We slept in hammocks stacked 4 high; stood up to
eat our meals and waited in line to use the
latrine,showers or just about anything else on
the ship.

The trip took about 2 weeks and was basically
uneventful. We docked at the port of Moji(?) on
northern Kyushu where the Army troops
disembarked. The RBS people stayed aboard for 2-3
more days and cleaned the ship while we sailed to
Yokohoma.

The food got a lot better on that trip. We stayed
at Johnson AFB for a short time waiting for
transportation to Korea. We flew to Korea in old
C-46's and pitched our tents on a hill
overlooking Pusan harbour. I never expected to
use my shelter half but we did and fortunatly,
the weather was favorable. Can't remember the
time-frame, but we moved into a school, maybe
Pusan University, while awaiting the arrival of
our equipment.

In the Nov/Dec time-frame, personnel from the 3
detachments,C,K,and N with 2 sets of equipment
moved north to Sinanju.

I'm not sure of the mission in addtition to the
close support aspects but it may have also had
something to do with taking out the bridges over
the Yalu River. The Chinese entry and the 8th
Army retreat took the RBS units back to the
south, either the Taejon or Taegu area.

The three detachments in essence regrouped. Det N
which became Det 22(Hillbilly) was assigned to
the Army I Corp on the western front; Det(?)was
central and Det 5 was last.

Actual operations for Hillbilly began in Jan 1951
see the attachment). We moved to various sites as
the front moved north thru Taegu, Taejon, Chonan,
Osan, Suwon, Yongdong-Po, and north of Seoul.

The Chinese offensive moved south re-taking
Seoul; we moved south also, back to Suwon, I
think and than north again to Yongdong-Po.

One of the memorable targets at that time was the
Korean capital building which the Chinese were
using as a headquarters; reports back talked of a
successful strike. In Yongdong-Po we occupied a
house that was housing for Army dependents before
the war started; it was basically a roof over our
head.

I think we moved across the Imjin River in the
July 1951 time-frame and established our site.

This site was not very far north of the bridge
which washed out while we were on the wrong side.

My memory is vague regarding other movements and
sites but this was the last site for the original
17 members of Det 22 before we started our trip
home.

We were in Seoul for a short time before going to
Japan where we turned in our grubby fatigues,
khaki's, OD's and personal equipment and we were
issued our blues. The trip out of Japan was
aboard an Air Force DC-4 with flight attendents
and the seats facing the rear of the plane.

We had an over night stay at Shemya AFB in the
Aleutian Islands and another overnight at
Elmendorf AFB before going to McCord AFB(?) in
ashington.

Some additional thoughts:In addition to the
B-29's and B-26's,any aircraft, Air Force, Navy
or Marine was a customer; all they had to do was
tell us what kind of ordinance they carried and
where we could look for them.

We directed P-51's, F4U's(Corsair), F-80's and on
a few occassions, a C-47 that dropped flares on
enemy covoys and troops so that the B-26's could
follow-up with their forward firing machine guns.

Reports from the aircraft, at times, described
secondary explosions. Ground observers reported
enemy casualities and facility damage. If nothing
else, there was a pyschological impact of bombs
falling when the B-29's could not be seen or
heard at night and in bad weather.

During the first few months of 1951, we were our
own perimeter guards. This usually meant one man
with his M-1 carbine patrolling the perimeter;
kind of scary in after thought. At some point,
a squad of ROK troops were assigned to guard us.

Another incident of note is that on one of our
moves, the SCR-584 slipped off of a muddy road
and laid down on it's side. Army engineers got it
back up on it's wheels and we moved on. When we
set up and power was applied, everything came up
OK and we were operational.

A few of our guys, Grammond, Sharpe and Thistle,
were resorceful and creative and managed to
aquire a field range/oven and various cooking
equipment and utensils. As a result, we fed
ourselves with food provided by the Army supply.

I Corps recognized the accomplishments of the
original 17 members of Det 22 by awarding the the
Bronze Star Medal. Det 22 also was awarded an
Air Force Unit Citation, the Korean Service Medal
with 4 battle stars, the UN Service Medal and the
ROK Presidential Unit Citation.

After going back to school at Kessler, I was
assigned to the RBS detachment at the Charlotte,
N.C. airport until my discharge in July, 1953.

Again from a personal perspective, I certainly
did not want to go to Korea but in reflecting
back; it was rewarding experience. I went there
as a 20 year old boy and came home as 21 year old
man.

All of the above is my best recollection at this time. If I am wrong on places, dates and events,
I would like to hear from you.


Keywords: Ted, this is some of my recollections of my
service in the 3903 RBS squadron.

The attachment is an article from the 'Daily
Bullseye', an I Corps publication dated Sunday,
11 March 1951.

Ed Note; Attachment and recollections will be converted to a web page for Norm.



Entry: 40978
3903RD RADAR BOMB SCORING GROUP
1ST CEVG GROUP ON YAHOO

ROBERT DILLEY wrote on February 17, 2004


City and State:

Unit: 1ST COMBAT EVALUATION GROUP(SAC)

Service or Relationship: INTERESTED PERSON

Comments: There is a site on yahoo for people who served in CEVG or the Units prior to CEVG. Email me and I will get you an invite. We discuss issues and old times there quite a bit. Over 6,000 messages since Jan 1999

Keywords: Ed Smith, Harlin Miller, Bill Stepp, Tom Ekstrom, Carl Copeland, Trice Miller, John Ringland, Bill Wilson


Entry: 40888
3903RD RADAR BOMB SCORING GROUP
3903RD RBS TO 1ST RBSGP

JOSEPH CLARK wrote on February 14, 2004


City and State: PALMYRA VA

Unit: GROUP HEADQUARTERS

Service or Relationship: AIR FORCE VETERAN - KOREA

Comments: Was assigned to 3933rd RBS, March Field, later sent to Carswell to Headquarter 3903rd RBS Group, Later 1st RBS Group commanded by Lt Col (then Colonel Otis Parks) assiged as Senior Historian, worked with MSGT John Justice, LtCol Hickey, roommate was SSgt Bill Overley - went as first cadre to USAF Military Academy;, SSgt Dave Chapman. Anybody still out there?

Keywords:


Entry: 39587
3903RD RADAR BOMB SCORING GROUP
LOOKING FOR ANY INFORMATION ON THE WINSLOW RADAR BOMB SCORING SITE IN ARIZONA

STEVE CAMERON wrote on December 31, 2003


City and State:

Unit:

Service or Relationship: -

Comments: I am seeking any information on the the Winslow Radar Bomb Scoring Site. In particular, I need to know where it was located and when it was active. However, any information would be appreciated.

Keywords:


Entry: 39169
3903RD RADAR BOMB SCORING GROUP
TRYING TO REPLACE MY RBS AND CEG PATCHES THAT HAVE BEEN LONG LOST

RICHARD HAZLEWOOD wrote on December 14, 2003


City and State: HUNTINGBURG IN

Unit: MATAGORDA IS, HUE PHU-BI, KOREA, SD TRAIN

Service or Relationship: AIR FORCE VETERAN - KOREA

Comments: I would like to find some of the unit patches to put in a framed display. Anyone knowing where I could find any of the unit patches, please let me know.

Keywords: I was stationed at Matagorda Island beginning in 1968, then went to Korea at the end of 68 and the first part of 69. After that, I was in Mobridge SD(1969) for a Train tour, then Viet Nam at OL-24 Hue Phu-Bi in 1970.


Entry: 39030
3903RD RADAR BOMB SCORING GROUP
DET. 12, 10TH RBS SQ

JIM BROWN wrote on December 8, 2003


City and State: PLAYA VISTA CA

Unit:

Service or Relationship: -

Comments: Ironwood and Bayshore, Michigan (1963-66). I remember "Buzz" Knight, Larry Fox, Chicago Nike, "Chuck" Berry, Major (LtC) Wilson, LtC Joe King, Sgt Huff, RBS Express (Oklahoma, Kansas and MO) and "A4C Boxcar".

Heard there was a reunion in Charlevoix, MI not long ago.


Keywords:


Entry: 37662
3903RD RADAR BOMB SCORING GROUP
DET 3 RBS STATESBORO 72-75

ERIC ROLLINS wrote on October 19, 2003


City and State: THOMASVILLE NC

Unit: DET 3 1STCEG

Service or Relationship: -

Comments: Hey, whatever happen to det 3 1stCEG, statesboro
Georgia? I loved operating the old mps 9 radar.
went to NKP '73 and also site at ubon. Mission recorder during mission in august '73. Forgot how we scored the bombplot.


Keywords: names i remember: LT Col Dannucher, Airmen: Weller, Guyton, Como, Mitchell, Mann, Bender,
webb, Sgt Sherman, Wright, Murphy, Morgan



Entry: 37545
3903RD RADAR BOMB SCORING GROUP
WOW -- AT LAST FINALLY HOORAY

DONALD BENSON wrote on October 13, 2003


City and State: AROMAS CA

Unit: 3903RD RBS SQDN

Service or Relationship: AIR FORCE VETERAN - KOREA

Comments: Hi, everyone. I FINALLY found a site that may allow the Radar-Heads to get together. Let's see.... Lackland AFB for basic in 1949, then Keesler AFB for Radar Maintenance, and held over for Autotrack (SCR-584) Radar Maintenance upon graduation. 30333? Went to Korea late 1950 on the USNS GENERAL STUART S. HEINSELMAN (sp?) out of Oakland. Helluva rough, bumpy trip, almost sank the ship in a 4-day storm. Compartment F4, the roughest, most-forward compartment on the waterline with 100+ sad,sick souls. I remember the ship's captain sending the message throughout the holds that the ship had been redlined at a 45-degree roll, but we had just rolled 55 degrees and were still afloat. Scared tho. People falling out of their tiered bunks, getting hurt on the slippery, steel decks. Sick, dirty, smelly.

My memory is almost completely blocked, guys. Are you like me? I can only remember bits and pieces, and no names. I CAN, however, remember vividly the night we bombed ourselves. As usual, we had been controlling B-29s and B-26s every night and daytime during bad weather when they could not see their own targets. We were pretty good, with great feedback from the pilots and high percentages of secondary explosions, and only two friendly-fire reports (due entirely to old, or bad coordinates from JOC); one on Turkish troops, and one on UK troops. JOC had reported back to us that we had >90% success rates. HQ (5th AF?) had sent us an MSQ-1 autotrack radar to replace our old SCR-584. I seem to remember that it was a highly modified SCR-584 with a MSQ-1 Plotting Van. Only problem was that they had misplaced all of the TO's that should have been sent with the new system. Our CO delayed setting up the MSQ as long as possible, waiting for the documentation to catch up with the equipment. Unfortunately, HQ got tired of waiting and ordered us to prepare the system for use. So we set it up, connected all the cables, and, by trial and error, learned to operate the radar. Most of it was identical to the 584, but with enhanced tracking and range mods. We finally got it hooked up and operating with the Tracking Van and could actually track aircraft. Pretty good, too. Better sensitivity than the old 584. We learned how to operate the analog/digital computers in the TrackVan, how to enter and position our geodetic coordinates, and how to enter and offset the target coordinates. After appealing one more time to delay operations, we were ordered to use the new system for a drop. I had just rotated off the radar and Kepler (HAH!!!! Just remembered my first name!) had taken over the J-Scan to track the very first op with the new system. I was sitting in the Comm Van, writing a letter to my girlfriend (still my wife) and listening to the Controller/Pilot exchanges. The B-29 callsign was TOPHAT 9,and we were HILLBILLY (?). I heard the pilot relay the 'Bomb's Away' and then I heard the scream of bombs falling and felt the shake of the blasts . I remember thinking that it sounded exactly like the movies I had seen and that there was no question about what it was. The explosions were visceral and deep in the gut and your whole system reacted to the message that you were going to die. I can remember opening the door while the bombs were still exploding, and remember nothing else until the silence of the last bomb. I have to smile every time I remember it. I had opened the door, crawled out of the Comm Van and crawled underneath the van. When the bombs stopped, I crawled out from underneath and then noticed that, in deep, wet mud, I was not muddy. I must have hung by fingers and toes to the undercarriage of the van.

We were lucky. Very lucky. The bombs went right through the center of the compound and killed no one. The interverlometer setting was right on the money. We measured blasts 600 yds before and 600 yds after the center of our compound. Compensation for winds, altitude, speed, weather and bomb-type were accurate also. Two 500# bombs were duds. One in the middle of our fuel/ammo dump, and one in the center of the mess tent. I can remember the WP Anti-Personnel bombs most. They were nasty but only hurt 2 of our Army guards who tried to brush the WP off their bunks. We lost a lot of STUFF, but no personnel. Radar and Track Vans were damaged, but the parts supply was OK so we were on the air in only 2 days following the bombing.

LOTS of memories starting ot come back, but slowly, over time. I can remember that we figured out what the problem was. On the SCR-584, the +-X and +-Y Target Coordinates were entered into the Analog Target Computer and left in. Our position was noted and the targets positon was plotted on the overlay map. The target was offset from our location. On the MSQ-1, we operated in the same manner, but later learned that we should have entered the target coordinates into the new digital/analog computer, AND THEN 'ZEROED' THEM OUT AGAIN. The computer would remember the offset and track accordingly. Unfortunately, we did not know that without the TO's. By leaving them in, like the 584, we effectively located the target's position over the top of ourselves. Worked well, we were right on.

A lot of ugly is starting to come back now. Haven't thought of them for a long time. I sure would like to hear from some of you who went through some of the same things.

Don Benson
caller4u@aol.com
(831) 726-7053


Keywords: TOPHAT (B29 callsign), RBS, SCR-584, MSQ-1 (MISCUE), "HOTEL HILTON", ASBESTOS UMBRELLA, BOMBING OURSELVES, BEDCHECK CHARLIE, SNIPER SCHOOL,


Entry: 34406
3903RD RADAR BOMB SCORING GROUP
DETACHMENT 1 11TH RBS SQUADRON, DENVER,CO

RUBEN BARRAGAN wrote on May 26, 2003


City and State: EL PASO TX

Unit: DETACHMENT 1 11TH RBS SQUADRON, DENVER,CO

Service or Relationship: AIR FORCE VETERAN - KOREA

Comments: I was stationed in Denver, CO from 1952-1956. I would like to contact any fellow RBSmen stationed with me at that time, especially James A. Harris from NJ, Joseph J. Mucciaccio from NY, and Martin Apolazan from Detroit, MI. I hope you're still alive!

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Entry: 32859
3903RD RADAR BOMB SCORING GROUP
RBS 1966 TO 1970

DALE SLAGLE wrote on March 17, 2003


City and State: LUFKIN TX

Unit: 1ST COMBAT EVALUATION GROUP

Service or Relationship: -

Comments: Would love to hear from guys I was stationed with at these locatioons from 1967 to 1970

Keywords: Stationed in Ellisvill, Miss., Wellsville Mo., Matagorda Island, Tx., Hue Phu-Bi, Viet Nam OL-24


Entry: 31237
3903RD RADAR BOMB SCORING GROUP
RBS ON IMJIN R

JOE MULLIGAN wrote on January 14, 2003


City and State:

Unit:

Service or Relationship: AIR FORCE VETERAN - KOREA

Comments: Having just found this Korea website, your description of your RBS work closely matches mine during 1952/53. But like many of us, my memory wont lock-on without great input like you provided.

My recollection, like yours, is of the outfit with codenames like Gundeck and Hillbilly, and our detachment was just a few hundred yds from the Imjin River bridge and a major MASH unit where we went to movies regularly.and acouple miles from the DMZ on the main route 1(?) north from Seoul. Only names I remember is Mr Rose , who regularly was controller, Dick Stanyisch, and medic Doc Newell.

I recall when, on a B-29 run with a Korean tailgunner, in mid-mission over Pyongyang he heard a Mayday and bailed out alone. We followed his flight on radar best we could and notified his hq. He later made his
way thru the lines safely. Also remembering , during the rainy season in '52 , that No Korean infiltrators were coming down the Imjin on logs etc, and our Army guards were posted on the Imjin bridge potshotting them. We were shot at by them while scouting the nearby hills. Going all the way to Tong du Chon y to midnite Mass at Christmas.

These ring any bells. ? Where can I get more data on outfits like ours and other guys?
Thanks for bringing back great memories.

Joe Mulligan A1C Radar maint. '51 to '55, now retired and a Horsham PA freelance writer


Keywords: Radar Bomb Scoring (Gundeck, Hillbilly, etc


Entry: 29267
3903RD RADAR BOMB SCORING GROUP
CHUNCHON/UIJOMBU 1954-1955

ROBERT F. ( BOB) SCHWARTZ wrote on November 4, 2002


City and State: CA

Unit:

Service or Relationship: AIR FORCE VETERAN - KOREA

Comments: Was at Chunchon 54-55 as radar tec (30333). Love to hear from someone else that was there. Only two names I remember are Orville Ptitsinger and sgt George Bonnet.

Keywords: Chunchon 1955


Entry: 29250
3903RD RADAR BOMB SCORING GROUP
3903 HQ CARSWELL AFB

JIM STOCK wrote on November 3, 2002


City and State: WILMINGTON NC

Unit: 3903 HQ CARSWELL

Service or Relationship: AIR FORCE VETERAN - KOREA

Comments: I first went to the 3903 in July of 1951, I went TDY to Keesler for electronics school, then back to Carswell until July of 1953. At that time I went to ECM school and into B-36's ending up at Ramey. While in RBS I taught the training school. A 2 wwek course for those going out to detachments. I'd love to hear from any of that old group. I still remember the old tarpaper shacks at Carswell and sailing on the lake.

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Entry: 25744
3903RD RADAR BOMB SCORING GROUP
LOOKING TO CONTACT OLD FRIENDS

EDWARD LOGEL wrote on May 25, 2002


City and State: ISCHUA NY

Unit: DETACHMENT 6, 12TH RBS SQUADREN

Service or Relationship: -

Comments: I was Post-Korea. Served in Germany (Rhine Main) and France (Orly). Has anybody heard from Frazer or Camp (remember Margaret)? Or Captain Whiley?.

Does anybody remember the Quonset huts? Or Sargent Garcia? Or the Hotel Litre?


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Entry: 24293
3903RD RADAR BOMB SCORING GROUP
REMEMBERWHILE WE WAS WAITING TO LEAVE FOR STATES THENEW MEN AND NEW RADAR BOMBED THEIR SELFS

GROVER B. FRANCISCO wrote on March 26, 2002


City and State: LANCASTER OH

Unit: 607 608 6132 3903RD RADAR BOMB SCORING 606

Service or Relationship: AIR FORCE VETERAN - KOREA

Comments:

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Entry: 23460
3903RD RADAR BOMB SCORING GROUP
I WAS IN RBS FROM 1950-1962

JAMES WILSON wrote on February 25, 2002


City and State: AIKEN SC

Unit: DENVER(TWICE), MAYWOOD(CA), MARRAKECH(MOROCCO), RI

Service or Relationship: INTERESTED PERSON

Comments: Anyone out there that I know????///


Retired, after Drone Control Site Supv at Tyndall AFB, and ARIA Instrumantation Systems Supv. at Patrick AFB.


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Entry: 21678
3903RD RADAR BOMB SCORING GROUP
REFERENCE: 'TADPOLES'

JOHN HOLMES wrote on December 22, 2001


City and State: PORT SAINT JOHN FL

Unit: 606TH AC-W SQUADRON

Service or Relationship: AIR FORCE VETERAN - KOREA

Comments: The 502nd Tac Control Group consisted of 4 AC and W Squadrons: 605th, 606th, 607th and 608th. The 605th was a TACC, (Tacticle Control Center) The other AC and W Sq were TADC (Tac Air Direction Centers). The TACC had no radar but coordinated the efforts of the TADCs with their radars, detachments etc. When I arrived in Korea the 606th was on Radar Hill at Kimpo. The TADP, (Tac Air Direction Post), called "Tadpole" was at Kumwa about 40 miles N of Chunchon. At the time I knew nothing of it's RBS roots; had never seen or heard of MSQ-1, RBS or any thing like it. As I remember we were a small unit with 3 officers and about 15 enlisted. I was a Radar Operator known as a scope dope. The others were Radar Maintenance, Radio Maintenance and radio Operators. The officers were all weapons controllers. An Army platoon was assigned for security. They had a medic and cook(s). We only ran the radar at night. The radio was manned at all times. Radio and radar maintenance went on during the day. We ran bombing missions every night. When running bombing missions the crew consisted of the Weapons controller, one radar operator in the plotting van with a radio maintenance man who was there in case we had to change frequencies on the VHS radios. He kept the log. In the radar van was a radar maint. man and radar operator. We had a speaker in the van to monitor the mission. When a bomber was handed off to us from the TADC at Kimpo, he would report on our frequency as being at the IP and give his altitude and heading. In the Radar van we'd search back and forth until we made contact. We'd line the blip on the J scopes untill he was in the gate, then we'd lock on. Auto tracking would take over. In the plotting van the controller would adknowledge the bomber and ask for his bomb load and fusing, indicated air speed, altitude. We would already plotted a target, so the bomber would be given a heading. I would imediately begin working the bomb problem using an E6B computer and bombing tables. A typical B-26 would report "10 500 pounders, fused point 01 01 nose and tail, altitude reference + 2, air speed 190 indicated" He of course heave been authenicated using authenecation table. I would give the controller the bomb fall time, true air speed, true altitude and trail in mills. the bomber would be on the down wind leg. As he turned on final he would be traced for the bomb fall time, say 27.5 secounds, and given his ground speed an itervelomiter setting. As he crossed the MLR he would be given "bomb bay doors open, switches safe". At that time the radar van would ring the intercom to compare rang and azmuth with the plotter van. The controler would plot the trail in mills on the target, measure the bomb fall time distance with deviders to swing and arc through the track to find bomb release point. At bombs away the pilot would be asked observe and report the effects. The controller would count down to splash. The pilot would report the effects such as 3 secondarys, fires or whatever. In the radar van we had to make sure the radar didn't lock on the bombs at bombs away. B-29s carried 40 500 pounders and we usuall made 4 runs with each B-29 on 4 different targets. We changed crews around midnight. We usually ran one sortie after the other all night. Sometimes having sorties stacked over the IP. After each sortie we called in a strike report to the JOC, (Joint Operation Center}. Every one at the site had day time duties such as maintenance radio operators, that is except radar operators. We were busy making the daily ration run to the ration point, water run with the water trailer to the water point. In the after noon a scope dope would copy targets from the JOC, and confirm them with G2 air at ninth corps and 7th ROK corps. Help set up targets for the comming night. I stayed in the Air Force retiring after over 30 years in 1981. I have in one or two occasions, met pilots who flew some of these missions.

Keywords: Was assigned to the tadpole in September, 52 near Kumwa north of Chunchon. Stayed with it untill we bugged out to Chunchon abou 15 July 53 and till the truce on July 27, 53


Entry: 19750
3903RD RADAR BOMB SCORING GROUP
RBS OLD TIMER '47 - '54

JOHN DONALDSON wrote on October 4, 2001


City and State: ST. CLAIRSVILLE OH

Unit: 3903RD RBS GP.

Service or Relationship: AIR FORCE VETERAN - KOREA

Comments: I joined Rbs in '47 at that time it was 263rd RBS AFBU, by the '50s we were the 3903rd RBS Gp with three Sq. Initially we had SCR-584 Radar and the RC-294 Plotting Equip. In 1951 we started receiving the MPS-9 Radar (mod. 584) and the brand new MSQ-2 Plotting equip. In '59 (?) RBS merged with the Strategic Evaluation Gp (was to ECM as RBS was to bombing) (?) and became the 1st Combat Evaluation Gp. Unfortunately our Korean history is not as well documented as that of the 1st CEVG, we need to hear more from the members of the two Det's sent to Korea in '51. I had a friend who was a Jarhead flyingf F4U's who had flown MSQ missions and swore by what they did. Hopefully this site will do for RBS what the 1st CEVG site has done on YAHOO.

Keywords: MSgt Donaldson, Hq RBS, Stations: Oklahoma City, Carswell, Dallas and TDY to many Det's


Entry: 19129
3903RD RADAR BOMB SCORING GROUP
DET. II 11TH RBS SQDN

DONALD CHANTRY wrote on September 1, 2001


City and State: NAUVOO IL

Unit: DETACHMENT 2, 11TH RBS SQDN.

Service or Relationship: AIR FORCE VETERAN - KOREA

Comments: Civilian with Det 2 at Cheli AF Depot, Maywood, CA
Served at Scenic Badlands Bomb Plot, Wall, SD and with mobile bomb Plot out of Greenville. Miss. Worked the Train at Crane, Indiana; Bowman, ND; and Hawthorne, NV. We made SAC miss the target by 88,000 yards at the SLC Bomb Plot. Also served at LaJunta, CO and the Site in Oregan.



Keywords: Major Gautney, Major McHan


Entry: 19014
3903RD RADAR BOMB SCORING GROUP
AUGUST 1951, CHUNCHON

DALE A. VESTAL wrote on August 28, 2001


City and State: HOMESTEAD FL

Unit: 606TH AC-W SQUADRON

Service or Relationship: AIR FORCE VETERAN - KOREA

Comments: I was elected as one from the 606th to replace
the old timers of Det #5, 3903rd as they
rotated back to the states. I was assigned in
Aug 51 and I think they all departed very soon
after. It was a struggle for us not familiar with
the gear but seeing and hearing the bomb
drops gave us incentive to learn. I became a
very tough 1st Sgt and Radar Maint Chief but
soon mellowed. Lots of memories. Our
troops can be proud to carry on the work of the
3903rd who gained my great respect while I
was being trained. I think my trainer was a
man named King but it has been a while.


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Entry: 16347
3903RD RADAR BOMB SCORING GROUP
WOW! RADAR BOMB SCORING

BRIAN KNIGHT wrote on May 5, 2001


City and State: RINGWOOD IL

Unit: SEVERAL RBS SQDNS

Service or Relationship: INTERESTED PERSON

Comments: Radar Bomb Scoring. Who remembers the RBS Train, TDY to Army Nike sites, the planes that went down in Ironwood, and transmitting a score with the azimuth 180 degrees in error? The RBS experience was significant. I'd like to hear from all people involved in RBS, especially those who were in Korea. I am post-Korea but would like to learn more about the history of RBS activities.

With respect,
Brian A. Knight
CSM, U.S. ARMY (ret)
Box 184
Ringwood, IL 60072


Keywords: Was called "Buzz" when in the Air Force Radar Bomb Scoring squadrons.


Entry: 16346
3903RD RADAR BOMB SCORING GROUP
RBS L.A. AND IRONWOOD, MICH.

DICK ROUSH wrote on May 5, 2001


City and State: CONCORD NC

Unit: RBS DET.IN L.A.- IRONWOOD, MI

Service or Relationship: INTERESTED PERSON

Comments: Served in Air Force from October, 1957 to June, 1962. Lackland to Keesler AFB for tech school, then stationed at Los Angeles RBS site, then transferred to Ironwood, Michigan. Trained US Army Nike site personnel in Chicago, Milwaukee, and Detroit in joint Army/SAC RBS operations. Was extended 1 year by Pres. Kennedy due to Berlin crisis.

Keywords: Los Angeles, Ironwood, Michigan, Charlevoix, Nike,
RBS, train, Mr. Keener, Capt. Gautney



Entry: 16022
3903RD RADAR BOMB SCORING GROUP
STAESIDE RBS SQUADRON

ROY SCHAEFFER wrote on April 18, 2001


City and State:

Unit: 3922ND RBS SQUADRIN, DET. 1

Service or Relationship: FRIEND OF VETERAN

Comments: Looking for anyone who was in the Carswell RBS Squadron and the Dallas (Love Field) site. 1952-54.


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Entry: 14978
3903RD RADAR BOMB SCORING GROUP
DET 1 11TH RADAR BOMB SCORING SQUADRON

ROBERT BROWN wrote on February 14, 2001


City and State: CO

Unit:

Service or Relationship: AIR FORCE VETERAN - KOREA

Comments: Would like to chat with anyone that was in Radar Bomb scoring in the mid '50's

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Entry: 8094
3903RD RADAR BOMB SCORING GROUP

JUAN ARIEL REYES wrote on April 19, 2000


City and State:

Unit:

Service or Relationship: -

Comments:

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Entry: 1606
3903RD RADAR BOMB SCORING GROUP
ARRIVED JLY 50 DET 5

DUANE RAPELJE wrote on November 20, 1998


City and State: EVERETT WA

Unit:

Service or Relationship:

Comments: arrived july 1950 - out 2 october 1951 Det 5, 3903d Radar Bomb Scoring Group Attached to 502d Tactical Control Group Attached to many Army and Marine outfits 15 enlisted 2 officers

From: Pusan-Taegu-Seoul-Sinanju-Wonju-


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